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Thanks for uploading this. So many people are looking for answers in places other than the Bible! If we take the time to read it and pray over it, God will reveal these answers to us!
Yes! I agree. Studying His word, learning what the Bible teaches gives us the discernment we need to distinguish truth from error.
Ask Mark is he has actually read this book? If you have read this book, you can tell that Mark has not read this book.
First off, he calls the book heresy because it makes a graven image of God.
also…A graven image is a just that GRAVEN meaning “cut into a desired shape; “graven images”; “sculptured representations” so a description in a book is nto a graven image.
Mark also denies the interconnection of the trinity here. He says God did not grow up a peasant, he did not die on the cross.
I could go off on this whole video.
But I have from heard from reliable sources that at the recording of this video, Mark Driscoll had not read this book.
so therefore…his opinion is invalid.
a clanging gong.
also…has he bothered to contact the author? No.
does not the Bible to command us to take our concerns to the person?
Jake,
I have found a good study of the Trinity helpful and also remembering that critiques hold more weight when they are based on facts.
-Dani
Dani,
are you saying that about my critique or marks?
if marks…how can he know the facts if he doesn’t read the material?
“…has he bothered to contact the author? No.
does not the Bible to command us to take our concerns to the person? ”
jake,
did you take your concerns to mark driscoll?
or did you just go off of reliable sources and this video and then start commenting online?
if not, then your opinion is invalid. and commenting online is out of step.
I thought I was the only person alive who had real issues with this book. Heaven forbid I would say an ill word about this book.
No, it did not help my understanding of God. In fact, if I subscribed to the ideas in The Shack, then I would have this jacked up understanding of God because it would conflict and fight what I know of God according to the scriptures.
When I try to explain this to others, I get this confused look on my face and lose my grip on the command of the English language. Driscoll does a much better job of explaining why.
No! You’re definitely not alone! You might like to read this too…
More on The Shack
-Dani
Jake you don’t know Mark very well! He has said in may occasion he loves to read and would just prefer books to sometimes socialising! As my pastor I know he would have read it – no doubt about it.
I think people like him need to point out the obvious (well to me) problems of the book from a theological standpoint.
But IF you are well grounded and can dismiss knowingly what is ‘wrong’ and it helps you in your walk then I don’t have as much of a problem with it, especially with the graven image part (I know and agree with Mark you have to be careful) you can see it as a sort of ’screwtape letters’ taken a bit further.
But if you are a new christian or not ‘grounded’ in the basics then this might confuse you or cause you to have wrong ideas. If you want to read it then its good to do so with Mark’s words ringing in your ear.
Do wish the book had the changes in it Mark had said (bar the meeting God bit) and that God was a man!!
I just finished reading this book and I remember hearing Driscoll bash it in one of the doctrine messages, which is why it took so long for me to read it. I usually respect Mark and his views, but lately I’m afraid he is walking down the path of more hype than truth. He seems to purposefully pick and choose aspects of someone or something that he disagrees with and paints them completely negative or heretical. Take for instance “The Shack”. I would feel better about this video if I knew he had NOT read it. Because if he has, he is knowingly and willingly misinterpreting and down right neglecting portions of the book. Like the portion where Papa in fact does say that he is not a woman or a man (i.e. perhaps God is spirit?). So it is not godess worship. At one point, Papa even appears to the main character as a man. Also, it doesn’t take a brilliant literary mind to conclude that this book is not centrally about the trinity, it is about what we do with pain and suffering. Would you feel better about it if God had not appeared as trinity? It’s strongest encouragement is about (re)discovering a personal, minute by minute relationship with God, learning to forgive others, and trusting God to be in control in the midst of painful circumstances (and all the other times I suppose)
I am not against Mark Driscoll, and I respect his passion, immense theological knowledge, incredibly fruitful ministry and the way he connects with many in a generation looking for a godly leader. I would just hope he (and all of us who post on blogs!!) might consider using his popularity and God-given gifts to spread truth and love as opposed to what I often witness as merely “truth”. Jude 22 encourages us to have mercy on those who doubt, not ridicule and talk down to them. And just so you know, I have listened to more than 50 of Mark’s messages, so I am speaking for a point of relative experience. Thanks! Grace and peace brothers and sisters!
David hit it on the head.
After seeing several interviews of the author, I have to come to the conclusion that Mark Driscol has really misunderstood the whole thing.
The book is a novel that a man wrote for his children to help them see how he understands the trinity. This is one man, simply sharing through the medium of fiction how God has revealed himself to him.
To criticize the book so, is to criticize the author, and if the author is so misguided then how can we trust a God who so willingly forsakes people who earnestly seek him to delusion and misunderstanding?
The above video unfortunately made me lose a lot of respect for Mark. If we took his approach to these pieces of work we would simply become arrogant, ignorant, and never find what others have to other from their relationship with God.
Michael,
I’m curious… what do you think of Dr. Michael Youssef’s review of The Shack?
-Dani
“I don’t wanna be the judge……I don’t wanna be the judge”
I completely agree with David. Thank you, David, for stating with such elegance and grace what many people who have read and gleaned greatly from the book were thinking.
THE SHACK is not about doctrine its about PERCEPTIONS and CONCEPTS . Question Think about this ? WHAT YOU THINK I SAID (your perception) IS NOT WHAT I SAID (my perception).
The shack is a awesome book…man I wish some so called Christians will stop being so self righteous like oh my word nobody should read the shack they should read the bible as thats the authority … its these kind of comments that winds me up it shows their small mindsets, and dogmatic, religiosity screwed up thinking! i’m not saying the bible isnt important and neither is the shack ..the shack is a creative literature that explains one persons views on the whole God thing and to be honest its flipping good and awesome!
come on people God can show himself in many ways and to only say God shows himself in the bible is like saying well I can’t see him in people lives, in music, in nature, in the stars ..how he help me get through the storms and lonely night …etc..
The bible is God instruction book and love letter to us……the shack like all the other music, films, stories are a kind of response to Gods love!
peace out …